On 20 aug, 13:06, samurai <man...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On 20 Aug, 09:28, YumYumPandaburger <theoriginald...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > On 20 aug, 10:19, Sam the Bam <samtheb...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> > > On Aug 17, YumYumPandaburger <theoriginald...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> >>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGNDZMJlJqg
> > > > > > >It appeared the loser grabbed the uniform of
> > > > > > >the winner and got his wrist twisted in the collar
> > > > > > >causing him to tap.
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> > > > > > Accident, or deliberate trap by the winner?
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> > > > > I think Ronaldo Jacare won! It was a wristlock from
> > > > > the bottom, his hand against the chest using the body
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> > > >> as leverage. I think he trapped
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> > > > > his hand inside his gi so the opponent couldn't it out.
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> > > > I've been shown a similar wristlock specifically from guard in
BJJ,
> > > > but it should work fine in any position where your torso is
> > > > facing the other guys' torso.
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> > > > He grabs the gi, you grab his triceps/elbow and push his
> > > > hand into your chest. Your two arms are stronger than his
> > > > wrist, and sooner or later his wrist will bend and get locked.
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> > > Can't the opponent bash your nose wtih his free hand?
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> > > Sam
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> > Yes, in MMA you are likely to get your faced punched in. I never saw
> > anybody successfully get a wrist lock in MMA.
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> > In BJJ (or sub-grappling), with no striking allowed, you are pretty
> > safe trying this as long as you don't lose your position. Normally
> > your opponent will focus on freeing the locked hand first before
> > attempting to improve his position or to sub you.
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> > AFAIK wristlocks of all kinds are banned from judo comps.- Hide quoted
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> > - Show quoted text -
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> ...I think the use of wrist locks in submission grappling (not self
> defense) is a bit of a cheat. I'm a 2nd Dan in traditional Ju-Jitsu,
> and also study BJJ. If you know what you're doing, wrist locks are
> easy to apply. The problem is that they can cause a huge amount of
> injury (especially if you're rolling with someone). I might be a bit
> of a *****, but if someone grabs my little finger - I'll tap!! Wrist
> locks are a little bit like that - you need to put them on quickly and
> forcefully to get a legitimate submission. In my opinion I think wrist
> locks shouldn't be allowed when rolling (as in BJJ)... self-defence is
> a completely different story though!... just my thoughts on the
> matter! Jacare uses his hands on the guys elbow to ensure his
> opponents hand is locked tight against his chest; by pulling his elbow
> towards him and simoultaneously leaning forward, the lock (and
> submission) is applied... I reckon it's a broken wrist!
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> B
I agree that they should not be allowed in grappling competitions for
beginners as the most obvious counter (= punching the guy in the face
while he is controlling your arm/wrist with both hands) is not allowed
either.
For experienced/pro grapplers in higher belt or experience categories
I see no problem though, it's very rare that someone gets caught in a
wrist lock at that level anyway. I'm sure Jacare goes for an arm bar
or heel hook with the same intensity he goes for a wrist lock anyway.
Finger locks should not be allowed in any competition imo. They are
not fight enders (I had someone dislocate one of my fingers during BJJ
rolling, damaging tendons and ligaments, and I still tapped him
afterwards), require little skill and will cause injuries that will
keep may people (recreational and pro athletes) out of training and
completions.
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