On Aug 23, 12:13 pm, rs <no.addr...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> ...couple months ago i was practicing with a 3rd dan, and i asked him to
> show me his way of doing kotaege**** and following pins. .... it looked
> like everything healed up nicely and i went back to the dojo.
> unfortunately even being very careful during the class, the same pain
> came back after 3 weeks.
rs,
Sorry to hear about your injury. Some things come to mind. I don't want
to blame anyone, but in our dojo, we are careful to always use pressure
on the shoulder, never the elbow. It is all too easy to push on the elbow
rather than the shoulder.
I sometimes catch myself with my hand on the
elbow but usually notice and remember to move it quickly to the shoulder
before I get whacked by our head instructor's jo (metaphorically,
that is!)
Even better, most of our students have been well versed in the safety
of Aikido. Maybe that is what is needed, some cl***** on safety before
any students begin practicing Aikido hands on, and some reminder
courses required by all Aikidoka and perhaps generated at the
instructor's intensive training sessions, or whatever they call the
training seminars for your instructors.
You didn't mention what had been done medically to repair this injury.
It is probably worth it to get it repaired, probably by surgery, and be
done with it. I'm no doctor, but my experience is that ligaments don't
heal without some guidance, like they provide in surgery. Too many
Doctors are becoming too complacent with the "wait, rest, and then
check it again" attitude, IMO. And if you have an HMO, you may have to
get downright nasty to get them to do something active to get you well.
It's not their elbow, so they aren't in any hurry to spend money
on you (is my experience before I changed HMO's).
If you have done Judo and Karate before Aikido, then you probably know
by now that in most cases it takes two people to damage something.
If you were forced by your elbow rather than your shoulder, and it
certainly sounds like it if this was the only incident which might
have caused harm to your elbow, then you know why it happened.
But speaking of two people, your best defense in training is your
own knowledge of what the common damage causing mistakes are in
Aikido or whatever MA. If you didn't recognize that the sandan
was incorrectly pressing on your elbow, and this is certainly
normal while a person is learning, then it may be a wake up call
to you that you need to start protecting yourself;
1. Start asking for safety information from your instructors
about Aikido in general,
2. Perhaps start asking about what injuries can be caused by a
technique before the instructor breaks the class into pairs
or whatever each time a new, or forgotten, technique is practiced.
3. Try to find some reading material that has a heavy emphasis on
safety in Aikido or similar systems of locks and holds like
Jujutsu and some schools of Judo.
Don't be shy about yelling out quickly "STOP" if you find force
being applied incorrectly.
You don't have to know everything about a technique before
knowing what the major dangers are in a technique. The dangers
are usually clearly defined and not something that happens
during an inexplicable smoky haze of execution.
You are not challenging a Sandan's Aikido ability, you are
just telling them that whatever they are doing is hurting
(but get it out BEFORE the hurting starts).
Protect yourself!
See more below to Rocky:
Ol Shy & Bashful <selwaykid@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote;
>RS
>Sure sorry to hear of your lingering injury. In over 50 years in
>Aikido, I've had a few injuries, and seen others. Some were severe,
>others were tem****ary. A number of years ago, I had an elbow problem
>that interfered with my regular job as a crop duster pilot. Severe
>pain in certain directions and enough to cause me a lot of daily pain
>while flying. I went to an orthopod, did MRI, etc, cortisone shots and
>was unable to find the cause of the pain. It was bad enough I could
>not hold a cup of coffee. Then, one night, I awoke to find my arm
>under my head like a pillow. Was unable to move the damned arm with
>the severe pain. BINGO!!!!! I quit doing it and the pain went away and
>have not had any recurrence!
>Had an accident that tore my shoulder muscles and required surgery.
>The rehab/recovery was the most intensive pain I ever felt and it was
>pure misery for 7-8 months. It has taken over 2 years before the
>lingering pain went away. During both of these incidents, I continued
>the Aikido practice while protecting the injured areas and no further
>damage occured.
>Like many who are getting older, I take vitamins and supplements as
>well as the joint junk like shark cartilage, condroitin et al, and
>can't really tell any difference. Perhaps its genetic? Dunno
>I DO KNOW, stretching is vital to avoid injury and to stay limber. A
>lot of my students marvel at how limber I seem to be, and how active
>at 71. Of course I will pace myself and avoid the really hard throws
>or mitigate the forces to avoid crippling injuries. I still fly for a
>living and my flight physical is critical for my financial well being.
>There is no magic formula or secret as far as I can see. In my
>lifetime I've been injured more times than I care to recall and on
>several occasions place my recovery directly at the lap of my Aikido
>training and attitude. Even includes a coke freak who shot me in the
>back 7 times and put me on the critical list for a week and in
>intensive care for 3 weeks. Ki exercises paid off big time then.
>So, no magic involved, no special diet, no special pills, nothing
>really unusual in my life that keeps me going except my wife and our
>13 month old son! Yep, 13 months old and nearly perfect in every way.
>Must be doing something right!
>Cheers
>Rocky
ROCKY! A 13 month old son! I guess maybe those crop dusting chemicals
aren't too bad for a person after all! I'm slightly younger than you
and applaud your vigor!
Hmmmm....Maybe I should take up crop dusting, I could use the
energy you must have!
Sorry you got shot, but I'm sure it doesn't help. Being the victim
of something like that changes a lot of what you believe in and
no matter what others say, it is never the same. Life is not like
a TV show or a movie. I know.
Best of luck to you and your family!
RedCrow
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