On Wed, 9 Jul 2008 05:45:45 -0700 (PDT), MikeS <mmsopp@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>On Jul 7, 7:35 pm, barry <toisan_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> On Mon, 7 Jul 2008 18:01:20 -0400, "Steve-O" <steveone...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >"barry" <toisan_...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >news:k3a374l7boso3cpoi0afhsan8vedc1q1hd@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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>> >> i have problems with a player using the phrase "financial security"
to
>> >> justify wanting a 5+ year contract when he's offered $18 mil for
four
>> >> years. i suppose he'll get more elsewhere, but with the contract the
>> >> indians offered, even after taxes CC will have a family budget of
over
>> >> $80k a MONTH for the REST OF HIS LIFE - even if he never plays again
>> >> after 2013 if he just takes his money and puts in the bank at 2.5%
>> >> interest. the average fan may not take home 80k in 2 years.
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>> >Barry -
>> >I wonder how much leeway players really have with accepting offers.
>> >What's the chance that the Union has a great big say on what a player
>> >accepts or rejects. My guess is a whole lot.
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>> >These kids have to be overwhelmed with the publicity, and being
>> >pulled back and forth by team loyalty, agents, and the union.
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>> >And, yes....23 to 28 year olds IMHO are still kids, especially
>> >when dealing with amounts of money that'd get the attention
>> >of medium sized countries.
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>> i would say more pressure from their agents - who make a percentage of
>> what their clients earn. but it's still a legitimate point. so why
>> didn't a re****ter phrase the question that way:
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>> hey cc, let's do the math: 72 million, minus 10% to your agent is 65
>> mil. 50% to uncle sam leaves 32 mil and change. let's say you spend a
>> million a year. so in 2014, you still have $28 million in the bank -
>> plus whatever you've saved up, plus whatever you've earned in interest
>> during that time. so at a VERY conservative estimate of 4% interest,
>> you'll get a million bucks a year JUST IN INTEREST - or about $80k a
>> month - wiithout ever touching your savings. can you help the fans
>> understand just exactly
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>> WHAT KIND OF F--KING FINANCIAL SECURITY DO YOU WANT? ARE YOU WORRIED
>> ABOUT NOT BEING ABLE TO AFFORD EXTRA CHEESE ON YOUR WHOPPERS OR WHAT?
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>> ok rant over. what's done is done.
>>
>> la****ta is the brewers' version of sean casey - 24 year old 2008 all
>> star ryan braun currently occupies LF while 24 year old prince fielder
>> (50 HR 119 RBIs in 2007) currently occupies 1B. that's probably the
>> only reason la****ta was playing RF for the brewers. his best fit will
>> probably be either 1B or LF given his defensive deficiencies. or if
>> hafner somehow never recovers, new DH.
>>
>> the player TBD could be very significant - that's how we got coco
>> crisp when we dumped chuck finley - and you can be sure tribe mgmt
>> will be scouting these players for the rest of the season. i was
>> surprised to see in the milwaukee sentinel a comment that prospect
>> green currently playing 3B would be be a candidate to swap to 2B. WHY?
>> between cabrera & barfield we should have at least one viable 2B. but
>> by the end of the season, we'll know, so get something for blake and
>> play marte for the rest of the year. if he proves himself, great, if
>> not, take green. but brantley & cain are intriguing prospects too.
>>
>> bryson - best case scenario - 2010 closer, given his K/innings ratio.
>>
>> jackson - eh, but we needed to get a starter back for depth,
>> acquisition of jeff weaver off waivers not withstanding.
>>
>> could be good/good good/bad bad/good or bad/bad trade but only time
>> will tell. the bullpen wasn't going to improve anytime soon, so CC
>> gives the brewers 14-15 starts barring injury and we get more than two
>> compensation picks in the upcoming draft plus the years in
>> development.
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>> we should hire somebody from milwaikee to evaluate the draft for us -
>> braun and fielder are top 10 picks. but the coaching might have
>> something to do with it
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>> jason michaels has dropped to about .260 but he still hit .300 for a
>> month after leaving cleveland. that suggests to me that *something* in
>> the environment in cleveland needs to be addressed.
>>
>> is alvaro espinoza still playing? he was always reliable for sticking
>> chewing gum in somebody's cap at least once a day. hyuk hyuk. but IMO
>> the indians need *somebody* in the clubhouse that'll loosen things up.
>> maybe one day wedge comes out wearing groucho marx gl***** or with a
>> long stream of toilet paper stuck to his cleats - or wearing scuba
>> flippers - when he walks the lineup out to the umpire one day....
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>And meant to comment on Green too - an offensive minded second baseman
>who can field his position is something the Indians currently do not
>have. Keep in mind he is in Single A and it will be a couple of years
>before Green is even on the radar.
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>I've read that the PTBNL is down to Brantley or Green - that Cain
>isn't even on the list.
so we don't care whether cain is, abel, er, able?
i saw that the brain trust is thinking of moving green to 2B, but i
don't see the reasoning behind that given we have a possible hole at
3B and 2-3 serviceable 2B in cabrera, barfield and possibly carroll?
brantley is in the coco crisp mold - except he might actually become a
viable leadoff hitter. grady may love leading off, but if he's capable
of 35-40 HRs a year, i'd rather see those HR's come with 2-3 men on
base and get brantley in there. i just don't know were we'd play him
though. la****ta in LF means that garko is playing well - and NOT
martinez there; martinez's power numbers at 1B would make him about
20th out of 28. more im****tantly, martinez handles the staff well and
calls a good game. and francisco/gutierriez are talented enough - one
should be able to claim RF. maybe the other becomes trade bait for
pitching?
i would like to see cabrera play SS and take the defensive presence
over peralta's potential to produce. that's make us really strong up
the middle - something every successful team needs to have. i would
make peralta move to 2B (assuming he can turn the pivot), which would
give us a "power" 2B, not necessarily jeff kent, but decent, OR move
him to 3B if barfield comes back and marte tanks but we still take
brantley instead of green.
we have the potential to field a pretty decent team next year.
laffey's fairly solid if not spectacular. lee & carmona are a decent 1
& 2, and westsbrook makes it back that would give us starters, with
sowers et al a candidate for #5. or maybe everybody plays well enough
to give us assets to trade for a pitcher. who knows?
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