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Re: Cardiologist too conservative?

by "Steve Freides" <steve@[EMAIL PROTECTED] > May 29, 2008 at 10:15 PM

"Zen Cohen" <aturny@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote in message 
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>I had to take a treadmill stress test yesterday because I had minor 
>right-side chest pain a couple weeks after a 40% spontaneous 
>pneumothorax in my right lung. I suspect the test was overkill but I 
>wasn't going to defy my doc's advice.
>
> He said he'd calculate 220 minus my age (49) so limited the test to 
> 171 bpm. I told him that I sometimes approach 180 when exercising and 
> that I'd like to see if there are any problems when my heart reaches 
> that range. Also said I'd heard the 220-minus-age formula was 
> arbitrary, He agreed but said it was a good rule of thumb and 
> summarily dismissed my request by pronouncing I just shouldn't 
> exercise above my 220-minus-age. I realize that there is some 
> additional risk by exercising at higher heart rates but I'm willing to 
> take some measure of risk because I like to push myself and better my 
> performance. Nonetheless he stopped me right at 171. I feel like the 
> doctor didn't do me a service because he didn't provide a sufficient 
> reason for this and it seems his refusing to let me go further may 
> have left him in the dark about potential problems that could develop 
> in these higher ranges if I don't follow his advice.
>
> I get the impression this cardiologist knows plenty about counseling 
> and treating sedentary or ill patients but has no interest in advising 
> fitter patients who want to push their endurance without undue risk. 
> Has anyone had experience with cardiologists who are more 
> fitness-friendly? What have they said about the risks of exercising at 
> or near max HR?
>
> BTW, it took me 15:30 to reach my "max" HR. He said his patients 
> normally don't last longer than 11 minutes but heard of some 
> accomplished athletes going over 20 minutes. I might've gone another 
> minute or so but nowhere near 20 (with the speed/incline increases 
> every minute). If you've done this test, how long did you go?

I will repeat what I've said before - you need a s****ts medicine doctor, 
and to go from there.  At the very least, that formula has been 
discredited for active adults, and there are several alternatives out 
there, one of which suggests subtracting _half_ your age from 220.

You need a different doctor.  You might try asking at a local running 
club for recommendations.

You need a different doctor right now.

-S-
http://www.kbnj.com
 




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Cardiologist too conservative?
"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-29 11:30:14 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-05-29 14:26:25 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-29 23:26:20 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-05-30 09:59:35 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Andrzej Rosa <bakters@  2008-05-29 23:03:50 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
misanthropic_curmudgeon &  2008-05-29 15:10:34 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-31 02:52:58 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"David" <for  2008-05-31 17:39:51 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-31 04:13:42 
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"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-29 15:30:25 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Burr" <pitz  2008-05-30 07:22:15 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Andrzej Rosa <bakters@  2008-05-30 03:24:45 
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MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-29 23:59:12 
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"Burr" <pitz  2008-05-30 12:35:28 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <moo@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-30 15:59:49 
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"Burr" <pitz  2008-05-31 06:27:48 
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"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-29 22:03:57 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <moo@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-30 16:12:42 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Somewhat Useful Feedroos   2008-05-30 16:25:37 
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"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-30 14:16:00 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Somewhat Useful Feedroos   2008-05-30 18:44:20 
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"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-30 16:15:50 
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"Very Useful AssKick  2008-05-31 00:19:56 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-31 02:38:00 
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"Burr" <pitz  2008-05-31 06:32:13 
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MU <moo@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-30 18:46:21 
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"Burr" <pitz  2008-05-31 07:13:31 
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"Dancing Monkey"  2008-05-31 01:07:17 
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"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-30 19:21:27 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-31 00:08:59 
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MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-31 00:03:12 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Burr" <pitz  2008-05-31 16:32:29 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Mu <mu@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-31 04:44:07 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-31 14:38:32 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Very Useful AssKick  2008-06-01 02:32:50 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <muness  2008-06-01 02:39:36 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <MUNESSITY@[EMAIL P  2008-06-01 03:11:15 
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"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-30 16:13:51 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-31 00:15:04 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Dancing Monkey"  2008-05-31 12:27:22 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-06-01 05:45:17 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
SUT WHO LUVED LASAGNA <  2008-06-01 22:20:09 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-06-02 02:42:43 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-06-02 02:51:03 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
SUT WHO LUVES BOB'S LASAG  2008-06-03 00:54:34 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-06-03 10:12:20 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Lucas Buck <sbcpark@[E  2008-06-16 15:23:28 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-06-19 11:45:05 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <musserino@[EMAIL P  2008-06-01 22:31:37 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-06-02 02:43:22 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Thorsten Schier <usene  2008-05-31 02:18:39 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-30 19:22:04 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <danmc5  2008-05-30 23:16:43 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <danmc5  2008-05-31 02:57:18 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <danmc5  2008-05-31 02:55:19 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD  2008-05-31 15:49:41 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Burr" <pitz  2008-05-30 07:19:26 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-31 00:11:54 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Burr" <pitz  2008-05-31 16:33:50 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Jason Earl <jearl@[EMA  2008-05-29 17:36:09 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-30 00:10:10 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-30 19:32:27 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Somewhat Useful Feedroos   2008-05-31 13:11:47 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <danmc5  2008-05-31 03:03:15 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Truth <yamantaka@[EMAI  2008-05-29 16:42:11 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Truth <yamantaka@[EMAI  2008-05-30 10:31:17 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Truth <yamantaka@[EMAI  2008-05-30 12:14:31 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-30 23:41:07 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Steve Freides"  2008-05-29 22:15:39 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-29 23:24:27 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-30 19:27:58 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"MU" <danmc5  2008-05-30 23:13:14 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Zen Cohen" <  2008-05-29 22:00:55 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-29 23:19:53 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Burr" <pitz  2008-05-30 11:29:54 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Jim Janney <jjanney@[E  2008-05-30 09:35:27 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Jason Earl <jearl@[EMA  2008-05-30 11:01:40 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-05-30 23:38:00 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Jason Earl <jearl@[EMA  2008-05-30 11:08:01 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <moo@[EMAIL PROTECT  2008-05-30 15:58:21 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Somewhat Useful Feedroos   2008-05-30 16:24:24 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Jason Earl <jearl@[EMA  2008-05-30 12:33:20 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Jason Earl <jearl@[EMA  2008-05-30 13:54:59 
Re: Kiddie Cardiologist too conservative?
Mu <mu@[EMAIL PROTECTE  2008-05-31 04:23:16 
Is MU a dangerous pedo? What's his obsession with "KIDDIE"?
"Dancing Monkey"  2008-05-31 12:40:27 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Jason Earl <jearl@[EMA  2008-05-31 14:28:53 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <mu4you@[EMAIL PROT  2008-06-01 03:17:02 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
MU <MUeer@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-06-01 03:38:31 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-06-01 05:47:42 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
David Rollo <drollo@[E  2008-06-01 06:00:50 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
Andrzej Rosa <bakters@  2008-06-02 01:56:39 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
"Very Useful AssKick  2008-06-01 22:22:34 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-06-01 22:34:39 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
"Zen Cohen" <  2008-06-02 03:46:26 
Re: Zen Scared Crapless?
MU <muman@[EMAIL PROTE  2008-06-03 01:01:19 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
Truth <yamantaka@[EMAI  2008-06-01 07:47:18 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-06-01 22:35:24 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
Truth <yamantaka@[EMAI  2008-06-01 07:57:27 
Send MU to Barbados along with Chung
I M Portant <"&qu  2008-06-01 13:00:13 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
"Very Useful AssKick  2008-06-01 22:24:59 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-06-01 22:40:11 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Truth <yamantaka@[EMAI  2008-06-01 13:10:06 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Truth <yamantaka@[EMAI  2008-06-01 13:15:54 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD  2008-06-01 17:20:40 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
David Rollo <drollo@[E  2008-06-01 21:51:54 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
MU <danmc51@[EMAIL PRO  2008-06-02 02:35:28 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD  2008-06-02 04:05:45 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
David Rollo <drollo@[E  2008-06-02 06:44:20 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
"Zen Cohen" <  2008-06-02 10:31:24 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
Andrzej Rosa <bakters@  2008-06-03 00:12:49 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Truth <yamantaka@[EMAI  2008-06-02 08:51:25 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
MU <muistheposter@[EMA  2008-06-03 00:57:05 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-06-03 10:12:48 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Zen Cohen" <  2008-06-03 11:01:06 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
Omelet <ompomelet@[EMA  2008-06-03 13:48:28 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative? Zen Scared Crapless?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD  2008-06-02 09:35:50 
Re: Cardiologist too conservative?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD  2008-06-03 11:42:28 

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