Re: Fuel canister adapter???

On Aug 27, 6:29=A0pm, "Stormin Mormon"
<cayoung61**spambloc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> <cayoung61**spambloc...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> > I bought the refil adaptor for 16 ounce propane cylinders. For
whatever
> > reason, the valves usually leak after refil. The tank is 12 ounces,
emp=
ty.
>
> > I know of no adaptor for what you ask. Wish I did, it's excellent
idea.
>
> Isn't refilling those canisters kind of illegal? =A0Or at least illegal
> to trans****t said canisters over any public road.
>
> SM: It was several years ago. My sense was that it was mostly a problem
f=
or
> interstate commerce.

Clearly stated on the cylinder label.  Says something about 5 years
and/or $500,000 fine.

https://www.wegmans.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=3D-=
1&storeId=3D10052&productId=3D400356&catalogId=3D10002&krypto=3DQJrbAudPd0v=
zXUGByeatog%3D%3D&ddkey=3Dhttp:ProductDisplay

"5. Never refill this cylinder. Refilling may cause explosion. Federal
law forbids trans****tation if refilled - penalty up to $500,000 and 5
years imprisonment. (49 U.S.C. 5124)"

> The tool sounds
> like drug paraphernalia =A0- perhaps not illegal to have, but ultimately
> illegal to use in the intended fa****on.
>
> SM: So true.
>
> Those canisters are so cheap,
> so why would anyone want to refill them if the process is unreliable?
>
> SM: Canisters are three bucks a pound, and propane is about a buck a
poun=
d.
> Only takes a couple refils to pay for itself. And, you don't know that
th=
e
> process is unreliable until you try it. I've heard the original
equipment
> Coleman canisters seal a lot better. I was doing Ozark Trail.

Don't know who makes them.  I'd be surprised if there were any
difference in quality.  They looked practically identical to me.  I've
seen Wal-Mart stores with 2-pks of the Coleman cylinders for $4.50,
but again prices are variable.

> My research indicates that the walls aren't thick enough to take
> continued refilling and that some people have ended up with large
> clouds of propane that sometimes ignites.
>
> SM: Got a link? If it's that dangerous, I'd like to know.

The thing I did read is that these are factory filled with dry
propane, and the cylinder material isn't made for long-term corrosion
resistance.  That was the claim made by people who were trained in
propane refilling - that most refilled propane tends to have moisture
in there.  Pick up any Coleman cylinder at Wal-Mart and look at the
neck where the paint has no coverage.  There's usually a thin layer of
rust.

> As hooking up propane to a mixture fuel canister stove...I'd think for
> any reasonable temperature that canister stove devices should be able
> to handle the pressure. =A0Still - it sort of defeats the purpose of
> having a small stove using a small canister.
>
> SM: And propane may cook differently than a propane / butane mix.

Perhaps.

> BTW - Coleman now has these "Green Key" things that are inserted into
> the cylinder valve. =A0The valve then sticks open and is essentially
> marked as being fully emptied/depressurized and safe for recycling or
> disposal. =A0I've only seen them sold on new Coleman cylinders at a few
> s****ting goods stores (Big 5 so far) but they're supposed to have 6-
> packs of these things for 99 cents if I could find them.
>
>
http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=3D30000..=
..
>
> SM: I've never heard of such.

Seems like a neat trick.  Seriously though - I wouldn't want to keep
one of these things around long term.  I've seen them rust and if
they're around long enough I'd think they would get unreliable and/or
dangerous.