>>>>> two days
>>>It's like a sign I've seen in the Pyrenees saying that camping is only
>>>allowed an hour or more walking distance from the road.
>>>How far is an hour's walk?
>>
>>Naismith's rule with a day pack uses 3 MPH. So start with 3 miles as a
>>strawman.
In article <noxs9WCYzbxIFwFV@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
Chris Townsend <Chris@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>Good old Naismith and his Rule! 3 mph and half an hour for every 1,000
>feet of ascent. He developed it in the Scottish Highlands in the 1890s.
>>
>>Of course if Gross were still here, he would argue that he walks 5 MPH
>>(jogs maybe, but Bob doesn't walk 5 MPH, he would not be able to
>>verbally impress people that way).
>
>I once measured my pace by mileposts at 4mph. On the flat and on
pavement.
^^^^ ^^^^^^^^
>I couldn't do that on a trail or with ascents. Naismith's Rule
>works for me as long as the terrain isn't too rough.
I've never seen life out there as a race (SAR is a valid race).
However, I am aware of objective hazards (a route on the Teton is
the Run Don't Walk Couloir for a reason). The Rule is fine for basic
trails.
Bob is a somewhat insecure guy (who isn't?). 20-30 hikes up Whitney or
the regular route on Shasta, etc. (a very regular course) isn't
everyone's idea of doing trips.
>>Junction marking signs in the Alps I've noticed use time (hrs and
>>fractions or min) to note summer hiking distances.
>>
>I dislike route descriptions that give times rather than distances and
>ascents/descents. Guidebook times are often conservative.
Profiles sometimes help this. A book author (hey, ain't you one of
those?) has to be conservative when handing out potentially lethal
information. I remember when climbing "topos" came out in contrast to
written route descriptions. The controversy was kind of silly. I do
recall Wilts' book had writing, photos with lines (useful), and rather
than a grade, a rating and a suggested time (4 hrs.). As I started to
do longer climbs and encountering grades (vs. ratings), the seriousness
of overall grades motivated getting up earlier and getting faster starts
(unless one likes to carry more bivvy gear and get benighted
unnecessarily).
In some cases, I'd rather bail (turn around) if I think I'm not
traveling fast enough. I'm amazed at the stories of hearing people
benighted on the East face of Whitney for instance (which Clyde and 3
others did in 4 hours on a first ascent: that evokes slower parties
saying they are going slower but safer but that assumes equivalent weather
exposure).
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