At this time, this group (r.b.) is not mail gatewayed.
If you wish to test post, you should realize that various little test
groups
exist like misc.test, ba.test, ca.test, etc. The specific advantage of
these test groups is that some sites have automatic daemons which mail
ACKnowledgements back to you. Make REAL posts as a test in this group.
Test post with blank fields as a last resort. You should also be able to
"Cancel" test files. So if you are going to test post, then you had
better
cancel your test posts afterward.
Consider OTHER NEWS GROUPS:
Living (all the time) in the outdoors:
rec.outdoors.marketplace (for ads)
misc.rural
rec.foods.preserving
alt.lifestyle.barefoot
alt.lifestyle.log-cabin.home
alt.culture.beaches
rec.outdoors.national-parks
rec.photo.*
specifically rec.photo.technique.nature
nl.wandel (Holland)
de.rec.reisen.camping
it.s****t.montagna (Italian)
es.rec.de****tes.aventura (Spanish)
Skiing: (X-C or downhill)
check rec.skiing.* [alpine|nordic|snowboarding|announce|backcountry|
etc.]
rec.skiing (our old parent) went away June 1994.
Also nordic-ski-request@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(now gatewayed
to rec.skiing.nordic).
Climbing:
rec.climbing
alt.lycra
uk.rec.climbing (UK only)
de.rec.alpinismus (German)
Windsurfing:
check rec.boats, rec.boats.paddle, rec.windsurfing
Whitewater:
rec.boats.paddle
# Charles Daffinger, Indiana U. (deceased)
References to whitewater are now in rec.boats.paddle
Fi****ng
alt.fi****ng
alt.archery
rec.outdoors.fi****ng
rec.outdoors.fi****ng.fly
rec.boats
Surfing
alt.surfing
Hunting:
rec.hunting (moderated)
alt.archery
if weapons related: rec.guns
else if political talk.politics.guns
talk.politics.animals
if professional: sci.military
alt.war.*
Hang gliding
rec.aviation.hang-gliding
rec.aviation.[soaring|misc|ultralight|questions]
http://cougar.stanford.edu:7878/HGMPSHomePage.html
Mtn biking:
rec.bicycles.off-road
rec.bicycles.marketplace
rec.bicycles.misc
rec.bicycles.racing
rec.bicycles.rides
rec.bicycles.soc
rec.bicycles.tech
mtb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://cyclery.com
http://cycling.org
The international mountain biking list:
mtb@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
send a message to majordomo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
SUBSCRIBE mtb
END
in the body of the message.
Soon, a new newsgroup--rec.bicycles.offroad--is anticipated.
Environmental issues of the outdoors
sci.environment,ca.environment,talk.environment, etc.
alt.save.the.earth,alt.destroy.the.earth
INTERNET mailing list
biosph-l@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
- scholarly studies of environmental science
Rescue:
misc.emerg-services
sci.med.emergency
misc.survivalism
rec.pets.dogs.rescue
sarinfo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
list:
orienteering-request@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Scouting references over there.
Naturism/****ist:
rec.****
Non-rec interest groups
sci.geo.fluids
sci.geo.geology
sci.geo.meteorology
<URL:http://www.ucar.edu/dss/faq/weather-data.html>
sci.bio
sci.geo.satellite-nav
bionet.* (professional biology)
General foreign travel:
uk.rec.walking
de.*, sub.*: German newsgroups
fj.rec.travel: requires 16-bit Kanji terms
soc.culture.spain: nice history of dual (2 column) translation
soc.culture.mexican: 8^)
soc.culture.france: francais
soc.culture.nepal:
soc.culture.nordic:
soc.culture.pakistan:
soc.culture.tibet: ... you get the idea.
aus.bushwalking: for down under
rec.travel.*
rec.travel.budget.backpack
check the mailing list:
majordomo@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
with message body:
subscribe green-travel
Not so "foreign" travel
alt.culture.alaska
Birding:
rec.birds
BIRDCHAT-REQUEST@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Disease:
LymeNet-L listserv group
Subscriptions:
Send a memo to listserv@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
the body write subscribe LymeNet-L <Your Real Name>
AT (Appalachian Trail):
at-l-request@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(that's at-L)
with the word Subscribe in the body of the message
PCT (Pacific Crest Trail):
pct-l-request@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(that's pct-L)
with the word Subscribe in the body of the message
Misc:
rec.answers
sci.med
sci.med.orthopedics
rec.knives: FAQ www.sff.net/people/pff/knife.html
alt.mining.recreational
... etc.
Mailing lists
Outward Bound (the non-profit)
http://www.outwardbound.org/
outward_bound@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
with message body:
subscribe outward_bound _your_email_address_
BACKPACK-L
LISTSERVER@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
with message body:
SUBSCRIBE BACKPACK-L yourfirstname yourlastname
%A Steven K. Roberts
%Z wordy@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Computing Across America
%O nomadness-request@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Travel Guide
An extensive compilation of tips from travellers, focusing on
long-term budget travel, and is also useful for short-term and
business travel. It covers nearly every aspect, from things to
consider before leaving, to budgeting, planning, routes, duration
of trip, modes of trans****tation including airline ticketing,
accomodations, financial strategies, health issues, visas, travel
insurance, and much more. It has references to both online and
printed resources, with hypertext links in the HTML version. An
archive site has also been created for journals from RTW trips.
http://www.solutions.net/rec-travel/rtw/html/faq.html.
While each of these pages was initially checked, there is no guarantee
of long-term availability. Re****t problems for removal from the list.
WWW pages (URL):
http://mcmcweb.er.usgs.gov/drg/free_drg.html
http://info.er.usgs.gov/doi/avads/announcements/index.html
http://www.flash.net/~bhphiker/BHP/
http://www.ucc.ie/info/net/acronyms/acro.html
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/srss.html
http://www.dtek.chalmers.se/Climbing/index.html
http://pulsar.cs.wku.edu/~beeler/climbing.html
http://www.eeb.ele.tue.nl/climbing/index.html
http://www.eeb.ele.tue.nl/climbing/areas/uk/UK.html
http://www.cage.curtin.edu.au/~climbing
http://www.abalon.se/beach/aw/abbey.html
http://www.gorp.com
http://iquest.com/~nss
http://www.fs.fed.us/whatsnew.htm
http://www.gorp.com/atbook.htm
#Adventurous Traveler Bookstore
http://www.tele****t.com/~walking/mcm.htm
http://vm.cfsan.fda.gov/~mow/preface.html
# giadria
http://www.couloir-mag.com
http://gdcinfo.agg.emr.ca/geomag/e_cgrf.html
http://www.medfacts.com
http://www.lcv.org
http://www.hostels.com/
http://www.iyhf.org/
http://www.dejanews.com
http://www.ipl.org/reading/books/ti.W.html
http://chat.earthweb.com
gopher://gopher.vt.edu:10010/02/149/5
ftp://darkstar.cygnus.com/pub/backcountry/fuel.names.txt
http://www.chara.gsu.edu/sat.html
http://www2.plasma.mpe-garching.mpg.de/sat/vsohp/brite.html
http://www.census.gov/cgi-bin/gazetteer
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/seg/gmag/fldsnth1.pl
http://rs560.cl.msu.edu/weather/interactive.html
http://www.ucar.edu/WeatherInfo.html
http://tycho.usno.navy.mil/srss.html
http://www.mit.edu:8001/usa.html
http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/seg/gmag/fldsnth1.pl
# mag dec.
http://thunder.atms.purdue.edu/index.html
http://www.nps.gov
# US National Park Service
http://www.fws.gov/
# US Fish and Wildlife Service
http://snow.water.ca.gov
http://www.nohrsc.nws.gov/latest.html
http://www.entertain.com/cmc/
http://www.cmc.org/cmc/
http://syzygy.math.ufl.edu/~sfm/ACL/acl.html
http://www.tbc.gov.bc.ca/
http://www.inch.com/~dipper/highpoints.html
http://www.oslonett.no/home/mariusbe/e-index.html
http://www.desertgold.com
http://WWW.LLBEAN.COM
http://www.sweet-h2o.com/sweetwater
http://www.monolake.org/
http://members.aol.com/hikenet/
http://trailplace.com/cgi-bin/htmlscript?category_bibliography.hts
The URL for the Trailplace AT Bibliography is
http://www.earthsketch.com/country.php?country=IRN
# Ireland country
Profile
Abbey Web page:
http://www.abalon.se/beach/aw/abbey.html
http://www.magick.net/~siskiyou/
http://www.plix.com/~users/ab7iz/lookout/links.htm
Caving:
Send all submissions to cavers@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
all subscribe/unsubscribe requests to jolsen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
the website at http://www.caversdigest.com/
alt.caving
Comments about alt.caving from panel 1
From Panel 1:
The formation of a usenet group on caving has long been a subject
of controversy. Most cavers that live in the US and Australia prefer that
caving remain "low profile", while cavers in Europe prefer a "high
profile"
approach. Much of this has to do with the type of caves and caving that
occur in these regions, and the differences in conservation ethics.
There are different types of resource management for different types of
cave systems. Due to the often extensive destruction of cave resources
that
seems to occur in the US after a cave location has been made public, it
was
decided by the international caving community to keep electronic caving
within a moderated mailing list (see below). This ensured that caves
suffer minimal destruction, while still allowing caving information to be
distributed on a world wide basis. This also made certain that
information
could reach the maximum number of individuals (e-mail is MUCH more
extensive
and reliable than usenet access).
Alt.caving was formed in spite of opposition from the caving community.
It was not formed by anyone associated with caves OR caving. The person
that formed this group was actually interested in hollow-earth phenomenon,
tombs, etc. Because the person forming this group also botched the
formation process, it it NOT carried by many systems. This means that
distribution is EXTREMELY limited and most people are unable to see or
respond to this newsgroup.
So what does all of the above mean?
1) Most of the experienced cavers CAN'T see or respond to the questions on
alt.caving. Their news feeds don't carry it. It is unlikely that you
will receive responses to your posts.
2) Because it was formed IN SPITE OF the cavers opposition, and because
the group is unmoderated, the VERY few cavers that can see alt.caving
are unwilling to give information out. They expect the person that
is truly interested in caving to join the cavers mailing list, like
everyone else. Again, because the mailing list is carried via e-mail,
the maximum number of people can get it, and respond to it. Also
remember, the cavers are only trying to protect the caves. Once a cave
is destroyed, it is PERMANENT.
3) Because it lacks the sup****t of the caving community, the information
posted on alt.caving is suspicious, at the very best. The majority of
people posting to the group are individuals with limited experience.
(The more experienced cavers know about the mailing list and post
there).
Because most of the people posting to alt.caving ARE of limited
experience, the information has a higher probability of being wrong,
or only good for a certain type of cave.
4) The cavers are NOT trying to keep you from caving. Most cavers realize
that it is impossible to learn caving from an electronic forum. There
will be too many holes in the information provided. NOTHING can equal
training. If the cavers are reluctant to give out information, it is
because they are trying to ensure that you seek out and receive
training
from an instructor that knows what they are doing. Both
rec.backcountry
and rec.climbing are monitored by cavers. They will provide you with
resources for training IF you ask for it. YOU CAN GET KILLED WHILE
CAVING,
especially if you don't know what you are doing!
Of course, all individuals that are truly interested in caving are invited
to join the cavers mailing list. See below for details.
- Cindy Heazlit, NSS 22980F
Any comments on the above should be directed to: cheazlit@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
put put alt.caving in the subject line.
Caving:
Send all submissions to cavers@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
all subscribe/unsubscribe requests to jolsen@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
the website at http://www.caversdigest.com/
In the UK:
uk.rec.caving
========================================================
And if your activity ISN'T mentioned, may we say nasty little things
about it until you give us references. 8^)
SPECIAL NOTE: DO NOT ASK OR ACCEPT MEDICAL OR LEGAL ADVICE from the net.
Do not ask in r.b, consider sci.med or misc.legal. These are licensed
professions. You have no recourse if you take advice on these topics
here.
First aid is okay (good samatarian laws), but you should cross-post to
sci.med
or specific subgroup like sci.med.orthopedics,
WITH A PROFESSIONAL: YOU HAVE THE RIGHT TO SEE THEIR LICENSE,
this is not the case on the net.
In article <1991Aug5.171418.17996@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>,
watson@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(John S. Watson - FSC) writes:
|> Mark Twain once said:
|> "Be careful of reading health books, you might die of a misprint."
|> Today we could replace "health books" with "usenet medical advice".
Short explanation on network news groups.
Netnews should not be regarded as a reliable information service.
It is low priority for your computer. Different computers have
different means of disseminating and presenting news articles.
You may read terms like "nn," "rn," "notes" or "notesfiles" or
"notesfolders," "bulletin boards," "BBS," "gnunews," "readnews,"
ad infinitum. This means 1) you may not get all articles on a topic,
2) the order in which articles come to you may not resemble a discussion.
E.g.,
Subject: re: original topic
Subject: original topic
Or you may see "attribution" using '>' characters.
These are reasons why others may see messages that you might not see.
Increasingly, people in industry and government (typically not education)
are starting to lose at work news access. It is possible to gain access
to various free and pay for view Usenet services. If you need this,
you need to obtain a copy of the nixpubs list. Ask around.
What you are reading is an automated message posted once a month.
This is sometimes called an FAQ or Frequently Answered/Asked Questions
post. The purpose is to answer various types of basic questions
for new comers as well as be a stable source of information for old
foggies. Unfortunately, no conventions determine when an FAQ is posted.
The structure of this FAQ is broken into 28 separate parts. Each
part is intended to be small, and regularly posted (like clockwork).
We could have one huge post, but that gets really ***bersome
and it loses its effect. This new style is called a chain. Chains
are the current experiment in FAQ design for large FAQs. We don't know
how chains will works, but one problem we hope to solve is when
a beginner posts a question have not seen the FAQ. Chains are designed
with pointers to other panels which might have desired information.
What is appropriate? Rec.backcountry is an unmoderated news group.
Technically, this means anything, ANYTHING is appropriate.
This is why I only sup****t moderated newsgroups (moderation !=
censor****p).
Personal attacks are generally frowned upon.
i.e., "Jane, you ignorant ****..."
When in question/doubt, when in doubt, ask YOUR news administrator.
TABLE OF CONTENTS of this chain:
26/ Other news groups of related interest, networking <* THIS PANEL *>
27/ Films/cinema references
28/ References (written)
1/ DISCLAIMER
2/ Ethics
3/ Learning I
4/ learning II (lists, "Ten Essentials," Chouinard comments)
5/ Summary of past topics
6/ Non-wisdom: fire-arms topic circular discussion
7/ Phone / address lists
8/ Fletcher's Law of Inverse Appreciation / Rachel Carson / Foreman and
Hayduke
9/ Water Filter wisdom
10/ Volunteer Work
11/ S**** bite
12/ Netiquette
13/ Questions on conditions and travel
14/ Dedication to Aldo Leopold
15/ Leopold's lot.
16/ Morbid backcountry
17/ Information about bears
18/ Poison ivy, frequently ask, under question
19/ Lyme disease, frequently ask, under question
20/ "Telling questions" backcountry Turing test
21/ AMS
22/ Babies and Kids
23/ A bit of song (like camp songs)
24/ What is natural?
25/ A romantic notion of high-tech employment
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 1995 04:53 EDT
From: BROSIUS@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
(Marc Brosius)
Subject: Around-the-World Journal
Hi,
I am happy to announce the archiving of Russell Gilbert's
Around-the-World Journal (with photos). It has been a great
inspiration in planning my trip, and in assembling the RTW
Travel Guide.
The incredible hypertext version of his journal is available at:
http://www.city.net/travel/atwj/
The ascii version should eventually be available also at:
* ftp://ftp.digimark.net/rec-travel/rtw/absjnl/gilbert_jnl.txt
If you do not have http access to city.net, please email Russell for
the ascii version at b804683@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
.
TABLE OF CONTENTS
AROUND-THE-WORLD JOURNAL:
* Journal's Home Page
* Introduction (Start here)
* September (Dallas, Hawaii, Fiji)
* October (Fiji, New Zealand, Australia)
* November (Australia)
* December (Australia, Hong Kong, Singa****e)
* January (Malaysia, Thailand)
* February (Thailand, Nepal)
* March (India, England, Wales, Scotland, Greece)
* April (Greece, Ireland, Northern Ireland)
* May, 1st Half (France, Switzerland, Italy)
* May, 2nd Half (Italy, Austria, Germany, Czechoslovakia, Poland)
* June (Germany, Sweden, Denmark, The Netherlands, Belgium)
* Back Home (Dallas)
OTHER JOURNAL ITEMS:
* Photo Album (All the pictures, divided by country)
* Comments (Notes from readers)
* Expenses (A table of average costs per country)
* Picture Notes (JPEG viewers, saving images, etc.)
* Postscript (Entire journal--410Kb)
* Plain Text (Entire journal--260Kb)
* Copyright (The legal stuff)
RELATED LINKS TO THE NET:
* City.Net (Detailed country & city info--links to specific
locations available throughout the journal)
* Virtual Tourist II (Point-and-click world map--links to area maps
available throughout the journal)
* Marc Brosius' Round-The-World Travel Guide:
+ HTML: http://www.digimark.net/rec-travel/rtw/html/faq.html
+ FTP: ftp://ftp.digimark.net/rec-travel/rtw
* The GNN/Koblas Currency Converter (Current Currency Rates)
=======================================================================
Please let me know if you want to be on a mailing list for s****adic
dispatches from our 2.5+ year trip, hopefuly starting in July.
Marc Brosius@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Florida
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