On Nov 29, 7:15=A0pm, wis...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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> On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:12:58 -0800, Mike Vandeman
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> >On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:19:06 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
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> >>http://www.independent.com/news/2007/may/24/defensive-logic/
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> >>Defensive Logic
> >>By Henry Delgado
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> >>Thursday, May 24, 2007
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> >>While I have no doubt that Mike Vandeman, PhD, is a well-educated and
> >>reasonable man, I submit that the information he has gleaned from his
> >>associates regarding firearms is woefully inadequate [ "Close
> >>Reading," May 10]. Dr. Vandeman starts out by labeling it
> >>=93preposterous=94 to say that guns are used defensively 2.5 million
ti=
mes
> >>a year. I respectfully refer Dr. Vandeman to a 1993 national survey
> >>re****t by Gary Kleck, Florida State University criminology professor.
> >>Using a survey sample of 4,977 respondents (the usual survey sample is
> >>in the 600 to 1,600 range), Professor Kleck determined that guns are
> >>used an average of 2.5 million times a year to prevent or defend
> >>against a crime. In 1994, Bill Clinton=92s Department of Justice
> >>sponsored a survey titled "Guns in America: National Survey on Private
> >>Owner****p and Use of Firearms." They used a smaller sample size than
> >>Kleck, and estimated 1.5 million defensive uses of firearms annually.
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> >>It is unfortunate Dr. Vandeman doesn=92t know any gun owners. Contrary
> >>to his assertion that a =93tiny minority of the population own
guns,=94
> >>here are the facts for his perusal: There are approximately
> >>300,000,000 people in the U.S. There are approximately 65,000,000 gun
> >>owners in the U.S. That=92s about 22 percent of the population.
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> >That only proves that 22% of the population are idiots.
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> >>are 200 million firearms (65 million-70 million handguns). Firearms
> >>are used for protection by 11 percent of firearms owners (13 percent
> >>of handgun owners). Criminal yearly misuse of firearms is less than
> >>0.2 percent (and less than 0.4 percent for handguns).
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> >>I=92m confident that Dr. Vandeman will be enlightened by these
figures.
> >>I have personally been a participant in defusing a possible crime
> >>because we were armed=97but that=92s another story.=97Henry Delgado
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> Mike, I agree with so much you advocate including restrictions on ATV
> and biking where damage is a problem. Same for "human free" wildlife
> areas. But the comments on guns
> are way off. How about joining in the work to stabilize population via
> strict immigration controls?
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They are way off because Michael is way off on most subjects.
He advocates restrictions on bikes but he himself is a mountain-
biker.
He wants human free habitat for wildlife, but he admitted to cutting
down trees, one of which contain a colony of bees.
He he advocated boycotting petroleum back in 1989 and yet he uses
commercial airlines. He knows they directly pollute the upper
atmosphere and contribute to global warming and our dependence on
fossil fuels.
He let his cat run wild, killing birds and other small mammals until
it was killed because Mike didn't keep it indoors.
Keep in mind this is the same Michael J. Vandeman who said,
"When I was living in Synanon..."
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