On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 17:15:37 -0700, wismel@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 11:12:58 -0800, Mike Vandeman
><mjvande@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 29 Nov 2008 09:19:06 -0800 (PST), Siskuwihane
>><Siskuwihane1@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
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>>>
>>>http://www.independent.com/news/2007/may/24/defensive-logic/
>>>
>>>Defensive Logic
>>>By Henry Delgado
>>>
>>>Thursday, May 24, 2007
>>>
>>>While I have no doubt that Mike Vandeman, PhD, is a well-educated and
>>>reasonable man, I submit that the information he has gleaned from his
>>>associates regarding firearms is woefully inadequate [ "Close
>>>Reading," May 10]. Dr. Vandeman starts out by labeling it
>>>“preposterous” to say that guns are used defensively 2.5 million times
>>>a year. I respectfully refer Dr. Vandeman to a 1993 national survey
>>>re****t by Gary Kleck, Florida State University criminology professor.
>>>Using a survey sample of 4,977 respondents (the usual survey sample is
>>>in the 600 to 1,600 range), Professor Kleck determined that guns are
>>>used an average of 2.5 million times a year to prevent or defend
>>>against a crime. In 1994, Bill Clinton’s Department of Justice
>>>sponsored a survey titled "Guns in America: National Survey on Private
>>>Owner****p and Use of Firearms." They used a smaller sample size than
>>>Kleck, and estimated 1.5 million defensive uses of firearms annually.
>>>
>>>It is unfortunate Dr. Vandeman doesn’t know any gun owners. Contrary
>>>to his assertion that a “tiny minority of the population own guns,”
>>>here are the facts for his perusal: There are approximately
>>>300,000,000 people in the U.S. There are approximately 65,000,000 gun
>>>owners in the U.S. That’s about 22 percent of the population.
>>
>>That only proves that 22% of the population are idiots.
>>
>> There
>>>are 200 million firearms (65 million-70 million handguns). Firearms
>>>are used for protection by 11 percent of firearms owners (13 percent
>>>of handgun owners). Criminal yearly misuse of firearms is less than
>>>0.2 percent (and less than 0.4 percent for handguns).
>>>
>>>I’m confident that Dr. Vandeman will be enlightened by these figures.
>>>I have personally been a participant in defusing a possible crime
>>>because we were armed—but that’s another story.—Henry Delgado
>
>Mike, I agree with so much you advocate including restrictions on ATV
>and biking where damage is a problem. Same for "human free" wildlife
>areas. But the comments on guns
>are way off. How about joining in the work to stabilize population via
>strict immigration controls?
Immigration has nothing to do with world population levels. But thanks
for reminding me to tell President Obama to tear down the U.S./Mexico
wall.
>ted
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