I want to be clear that I wasn't trying to be ciritcal of the format
-- I just thought the crossover games produced some interesting
anomalies with regards to balance. It helps to know the reasoning
behind the format, and I agree with a lot of it. Thanks for taking the
time to clarify.
It's likely that the results of this tournament will have an impact on
nationals seeding, but I don't think over/underseeding at Club
nationals is nearly the disadvantage that it is at, say, college
nationals. If anything, maybe GOAT should be jealous of Doublewide's
lineup this weekend rather than vice-versa. :)
On Aug 28, 5:53 pm, LaborDayUltim...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
> This is a very interesting point you bring up.
>
> The goals for the tournament and scheduling were as follows:
>
> 1) Bring in the best talent from around North America. Check.
> 2) Make a schedule where teams play different teams with little chance
> of repeats (Not throughout the season, but specifically in the
> tourmament) Check.
>
> 3) Work to get teams playing new teams. Check..however, teams like
> Bravo and PoNY, who have attended a lot of tourmaments made this
> challenging.
>
> Breakdown of teams playing new opponents:
> Sockeye- 5
> Chain-5
> Jam - 5
> Doublewide-5
> Rhino- 5
> Ironside- 4
> Ring of Fire- 4
> Furious George- 4
> GOAT - 4
> Revolver -3
> Truckstop-3
> Condors- 3
> Sub Zero- 3
> Johnny Bravo- 2
> PoNY- 2
>
> 4) What's im****tant? When we were discussing the pros/cons of re-doing
> the schedule to get Chain in, Josh Ziperstein won us over with this
> line, "I don't think anybody is going to care whether they finished
> 7th at Labor Day in 2008. They want to play the best teams in the game
> and we are one of them".
>
> -What does that mean? Well, we are bringing these teams together to
> battle it out, get experience, put some W's up over other incredible
> teams.
>
> Yes, the schedule is a little wacky, however, I doubt Doublewide will
> complain about playing Sockeye, Boston, Jam, PoNY, Chain and
> GOAT..even if they have some regional match ups or some replays from
> earlier in the season. Why? Cause that line up is AMAZING! Check.
>
> In the end, the average opponent seed numbers are interesting but not
> necessarily accurate. We didn't seed normally. GOAT isn't specifically
> the 4 seed and the Condors aren't necessarily the 15th, that's just
> Score Re****t doing its job.
> Rather we put people in groupings and distributed accordingly. The
> results of your math is very much the same anyways, the bottom 6 teams
> have the most difficult road, while the top 6 have the easiest.
>
> Danny and Nathan
> 2008 LDUC TDs
>
> On Aug 28, 2:19 pm, Sc <dp.te...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > The crossover format seems a little strange to me. The 1 seeds have a
> > harder schedule by average opponent's seed than the 2 seeds, and the 4
> > seeds have a more difficult schedule than the 5 seeds.
>
> > Average opponent seed (pool play + crossovers, easiest schedule to
> > hardest):
>
> > GOAT: 10.3
> > Furious: 10
> > Boston: 9.6
> > Sockeye: 9.5
> > Bravo: 9.5
> > Chain: 9.5
> > Jam: 8.2
> > Truck: 8
> > Revolver: 7.8
> > PoNY: 6.5
> > Rhino: 6.5
> > Condors: 6.5
> > Ring: 6.3
> > Sub Zero: 6
> > Doublewide: 5.7
>
> > So GOAT's average opponent is nearly 5 seeds lower than Doublewide's
> > average opponent. That seems like a lot; I wonder how it compares to
> > other tournament formats?
>
> > On Aug 28, 3:04 pm, Ryan Thompson <thomp...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 28, 3:46 pm, "redh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
" <redh...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 28, 12:24 am, spac...@[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
>
> > > > > Guess your right, let's get that going for Sarasota then. Tell
me more
> > > > > about how the chicks bracket. 3 games on 3 games off? Should be
ideal.
> > > > > Has this tourney lost fields? Maybe a smaller field(of teams)
then?
> > > > > Don't even bring up co-ed because that would be the dumbest
reason to
> > > > > shave fields from quality club play than any other. Seriously,
the
> > > > > cadaver who gave a ligament to Karlinsky must be turning in his
grave.
> > > > > JB
>
> > > > Sarasota is a different beast. There are more than enough fields
there
> > > > that any schedule is fine... field limitations are not a problem.
>
> > > > And no, this tourney has not lost fields. It lost the mixed
bracket a
> > > > few years ago (presumably) so that it could accommodate more open
and
> > > > women's teams.
>
> > > > I still don't see what you inherently don't like about 15 teams.
If
> > > > its the weird crossover thing, I agree, I have no clue what that
is.
> > > > But fifteen goes to bracket play just as well, and if the men only
> > > > have 6 fields, then its the largest amount of teams they could
> > > > accommodate without a seriously whacky format.
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